Meghan: No. Meghan: Even Archie. Oprah: So, that you as Prince Harry are going to have your security removed. But I’m still standing, and my hope for people in the takeaway from this is to know that there’s another side. Meghan: There were moments that he had to work or he had to go away, there’s moments in the middle of the night. The Sun website is regulated by the Independent Press Standards Organisation (IPSO), Our journalists strive for accuracy but on occasion we make mistakes. . . I grew up in LA, you see celebrities all the time. That’s coming from someone who wasn’t reading anything. Oprah: You’ve been watching on the side, yeah? During their March 7 interview, which aired on CBS in the U.S., Meghan … Harry: But that was right at the beginning, when she wasn’t going to get security, when members of my family were suggesting that she carries on acting, because there was not enough money to pay for her, and all this sort of stuff. . I’m so proud of . Meghan: I would have never wanted that to come out about her ever, even though it had happened. . Meghan: That was relayed to me from Harry. . . . Meghan: Sometimes, yes, so they can see Archie. Meghan: Because we were doing our job. TALK OF THE TOWN: Social media satirist Meggie Foster has released a fabulously funny take-down of Meghan Markle's interview with Oprah Winfrey - and it's savage! Oprah: Could you be as satisfied now, doing this through your own organisation, Archewell? I think it was the fourth season, actually, where there is an Australian tour. Harry: Yes. This is a completely different ball game. to make it one of my priorities to try and heal that relationship. . We were both aware in advance of that this wasn’t our day, this was the day planned for the world. And soon after your marriage, the tabloids started offering stories that painted a not-so-flattering picture of you in your new world. . . Meghan: But I just picked up the phone and I called the Queen just to check in. and I will continue to . Hamish Bowles on the varied reactions to Oprah’s interview on both sides of the pond and the sartorial similarities between Meghan Markle, Wallis Simpson, and Princess Diana. . and a reflection of the world today. Oprah: Why, I mean, why wouldn’t everybody love that? I hadn’t really thought about the mixed-race piece because I thought, well . Harry: And I guess one of the most telling parts — and the saddest parts, I guess — was over 70 Members of Parliament, female Members of Parliament, both Conservative and Labour — came out and called out the . That changed the level of death threats. There was a lot of fear surrounding it. . Meghan: I have one. And that’s . . Oprah:  . . Oprah: Oh, wow! It’s been a lot. Oprah: So you left because you were asking for help and couldn’t get it? Oprah: Mm-hmm. Just be genuine. Meghan: Negate it, they wouldn’t let her, because she’s a good person. . . But now, you know, now we — we’ve got our family. Like, we read these books, and now he’s been — there’s one line in one that goes, ‘If you can see it, you can be it’. . Oprah: I’m thinking, because I watch The Crown OK? . Yeah, he is. So yeah, she did. That was what completely changed the whole plan. So here’s a time to set the record straight. I couldn’t, you know, call an Uber to the palace. Harry and I were in the car and he says, ‘OK, well my grandmother is there, you’re going to meet her’. Meghan: That’s a huge piece of it, but, I mean, but . After their move, Harry and Meghan say security normally provided by the Royal Family was cut off. and sent it to me. That’s what you are describing. And I have huge compassion for that. and I think the biggest turning point for me was the . Just tell people, and then they’ll understand?’. . what were you going through? But we called the Archbishop, and we just said, ‘Look, this thing, this spectacle is for the world, but we want our union between us’. You know, I think so much of it is said with an understanding of just truth. . Oprah: Was the title . Bradby: And the answer is, would it be fair to say, ‘Not really OK’, as in it’s really been a struggle? . to simplify it, it’s a case of if you . And there was also a story — did you hear this one? He stated that the recent deals were not part of the couple's original plan, but after being made financially independent, he had to find a way to afford security. Oprah: Yes. This is not a surprise to anybody. . And I have a deep respect for her. Those were being taken away because you did sit down with me. is not going to have . . I think what we really have got to clear up here is because one of the stories that continues to live, either through rumours or social media, out in the world, is that you, Meghan, are the one who manipulated, calculated, and are responsible for this Megxit. It was affecting so many other people as well. Meghan: It wasn’t a confrontation, and I actually don’t think it’s fair to her to get into the details of that, because she apologised. Oprah: Well, what is particularly striking is what Meghan shared with us earlier, is that no one wants to admit that there’s anything about race or that race has played a role in the trolling and the vitriol, and yet Meghan shared with us that there was a conversation with you about Archie’s skin tone. I don’t want to bring that to him. Oprah: So, all the time the stories were out that you had made Kate cry . . Meghan: I, again, wouldn’t wish pain on my child, but that is their birthright to then make a choice about. . Meghan: But the idea of our son not being safe, and also the idea of the first member of colour in this family not being titled in the same way that other grandchildren would be . Harry: And I don’t know whether . And what reasons did they give? Oprah: Hmm. and for us to be able to have storytelling through a truthful lens, that hopefully is uplifting, is going to be great knowing how many people that can land with. (Oprah narrates) In January 2020, Prince Harry and Meghan announced they would step back as senior members of the Royal Family. that have been with us through this whole process but for the family, they very much have this mentality of, ‘This is just how it is. . This service is provided on News Group Newspapers' Limited's Standard Terms and Conditions in accordance with our Privacy & Cookie Policy. “It just did not make sense with everything going on with the wedding to not be supportive,” says Meghan. Oprah's bombshell CBS interview with Meghan Markle and Prince Harry took place on March 8, but anyone who watched it is probably still thinking about it. We were doing the training behind the scenes, because I just wanted to make them proud. . I see the death threats. I mean, that’s the sad irony of the last four years . This went on for the last few months of our pregnancy, where I’m going, ‘Hold on a second’. .’. Meghan: If Guy, I mean, I had him in Canada. Meghan: Yeah, but also it’s not their right to take it away. And I said, ‘I can’t be left alone’. It’s also really exhausting. And this . Meghan: But I can at least go on the record and say she didn’t make her cry. . and Archie’s his grandson. those letters, those conversations, that was . Meghan: And growing up as a woman of colour, as a little girl of colour, I know how important representation is. . . Meghan: Yeah. I’ve always valued independence. . . Just grateful, like any — to have any child, any one or any two would have been amazing. Meghan: No, and it was . . . And I thought, well . Javascript is disabled!common.-_please_enable_js, Meghan Markle and Prince Harry's interview with Oprah Winfrey—the interview of the year—aired on Monday, March 8 (SGT), here's what we learnt so far. . But through that picture that we were all seeing, behind the scenes, obviously, there was a lot of drama going on. Harry: Yeah, I think, you know, as we talked about, she was very much welcomed into the family, not just by the family, but by the world. . . . Meghan: Right? . He goes, ‘It’s the Queen!’. Meghan: So, there’s the family, and then there’s the people that are running the institution. What was the tipping point that made you decide you had to leave? . call the dogs off, whatever you want to call it. So, did you ask for that? . Speaking to Oprah Winfrey in California, Harry and Meghan blasted “racist” Britain, the Royal Family and the Press, while highlighting Meghan’s mental health struggles. It’s not secure’. When probed by Oprah if the couple "blindsided" the Queen with their decision, Harry stated simply "No, I have too much respect for her.”, Continuing, he said that when they first made the move to Canada he had conversations with the Queen and with his father, Prince Charles, “before he stopped taking my calls.”, Oprah probes Harry whether he would have stepped back from Royal life if it were not for Meghan, with his reply: “No, I was trapped but I didn’t know I was trapped.”, When asked by Oprah to explain further, Harry continued, “Trapped within the system, like the rest of my family are. . Oprah: Mm-hmm. I’ve been a waitress, an actress, a princess, a duchess. . And an understanding. Oprah: Wow! Oprah: Then there was a whole online piece about this: ‘Kate eating avocados to help with morning sickness’. Meghan: We still . the way that it should have been done. (Related: 10 Revelations About Archie and The New Royal Baby in Meghan and Harry's Interview with Oprah). We are going to take a break, y’all, and Harry’s going to join us. I was thinking about it — even at our wedding, you know, three days before our wedding, we got married . Oprah: But you were eating avocados . Oprah: But who’s controlling whom? Why did he stop taking your calls? I haven’t left the house in months’. . . Harry: No, I . You went through the whole process, and it was all intentional to build your brand. Meghan: Oh, gosh, have I done it since we’ve been sitting down? . Harry: And we’re certainly not complaining. Meghan: This was . . . The couple do, however, regularly enjoy Zoom calls with Harry's grandmother, the Queen. Harry: The biggest concern was that while we were in Canada, in someone else’s house, I then got told at short notice security was going to be removed. It was bringing out a part of people that was racist in how it was charged. the dogs are really happy. . (Back to Oprah). I have no idea. And I would hope that she would have wanted that corrected, and maybe in the same way that the Palace wouldn’t let anybody else. . Meghan states she stopped this story from getting out at the time, but the press later picked up on it. I need to learn these 30 hymns for church. . . . Harry: Well, it is . Oprah: So, OK, so she made you feel welcomed? . . . . Harry: From this . It’s the institution. . . . During the interview… . Harry: No. Harry: Certainly by the Commonwealth. Meghan: I’m not sharing that piece about Kate in any way to be disparaging to her. Oprah: Yes. So, you’re telling me that is not true? Here, chick, chick, chick, chick. You are two sisters-in-law out there in the world, getting to know each other. Just be authentic. And I remember this conversation like it was yesterday, because they said, ‘My heart goes out to you, because I see how bad it is, but there’s nothing we can do to protect you because you’re not a paid employee of the institution’. . I said that, ‘I’ve never felt this way before, and I need to go somewhere’. Did you think about that at all? . . That’s me late at night, Googling how . Oprah: And this is what happened here? . the risk level, because it went . . . Meghan: And that was really the first moment the penny dropped? And . Because in my old job, there was a union, and they would protect me. Here, we reveal the full astonishing transcript…, Read our Meghan and Harry live blog for the latest updates. (Related: Prince Harry Tells Oprah Winfrey He is 'Worried about History Repeating Itself'). Oprah: What you’ve described here today — being trapped and not even being aware of it and all the things that had transpired, and then she comes into your life and then you’re doing therapy — do you think in some way she saved you? (Cuts to footage of interview with ITV’s Tom Bradby in South Africa in October, 2019). And that brought back memories. You announced you were stepping back as senior members of the Royal Family. We’re going to have our security removed. It takes so much courage to admit that you need help. So, are you saying that there were hints of jealousy? That changed everything. Oprah: Yeah, well, everybody can certainly relate now. . IT was the most sensational royal interview since Diana’s Panorama bombshell 26 years ago. what . You know, those tours are . . ‘Almost unsurvivable’ sounds like there was a breaking point. In those months when I was pregnant, all around this same time . But, also, the Netflix and the Spotify, they’re all . And, but they only know what they know, and that’s the thing. Meghan: It’s hard for people to distinguish the two because there’s . and that picture, if you zoom in, what I see is how tightly his knuckles are gripped around mine. . Meghan: We weren’t asked to take a picture. It brought back memories of that? There was so much more that we couldn’t fit into this special. Oprah: Thank you both for trusting me to share your story. But I . . . But it really changed after the Australia tour, after our South Pacific tour. . family members. Meghan: You know, and if you think about . Those were conversations that family had with him. our life is great now. Before we get into to it, I just want to make clear to everybody that, even though we’re neighbours, I’m down the road, you’re up the road, we’re using a friend’s place. . . But I knew that if I didn’t say it, that I would do it. . . Oprah: Where your father and your mother went there, and your mother was bedazzling. Relationship? That was suggested by somebody else by the point of where my family literally cut me off financially, and I had to afford . So to receive no help at all and to be told continuously, ‘This is how it is. . . . Harry: Yeah, but, you know, I was trapped, but I didn’t know I was trapped. . Meghan: I’m sorry if it’s shocked you! we’re talking about the UK Press here, right? . . Meghan: I think that would be very damaging to them. what’s the National . ‘I don’t want to be alive any more,’ that’s . Meghan: Right? Prince Harry: Yeah. . . Meghan:  . We’ve got, you know, the four of us and our two dogs, and it’s great. You wanted to step back but also keep your foot in royal business, it seems. I mean . And then say, ‘And so, therefore, you’re not . So, specifically, did you make Kate cry? Were you . . . . Meghan: It takes so much courage to voice that. . . And that was when they were saying they didn’t want him to be a prince or a princess — not knowing what the gender would be, which would be different from protocol — and that he wasn’t going to receive security. . Meghan has called her time as a royal “almost unsurvivable,” going on to say that there was a time when she “just didn’t see a solution.”, She stated  “I just didn’t want to be alive any more. Like, she safely delivered Archie during a period of time which was so cruel and so mean. all she’d . And I thought, in the context of everything else that was going on in those days leading to the wedding, that it didn’t make sense to not be just doing whatever everyone else was doing, which was trying to be supportive, knowing what was going on with my dad and whatnot. . that’s a part of the job. Meghan:  . And I realised that it was all happening just because I was breathing. Meghan: No, and it’s not our decision to make, right? Oprah: So, your story with the prince does have a happy ending? I mean, that’s the other piece of that . . CBS is paying Oprah Winfrey up to £6.5 million ($9 million) for her explosive interview with Prince Harry and Meghan Markle. . And the people who were part of our wedding going to our comms team and saying, ‘I know this didn’t happen.’ I don’t have to tell them what actually happened. . Sign up for our newsletters to get all our top stories delivered. . . you don’t need protection’. . Greater than any fairytale you've ever read... Oprah: What’s his new favourite word? . . The reverse happened. Body language expert Patti Wood analyzes Meghan Markle and Prince Harry's body language during their tell-all interview with Oprah. By March 2020, just days before the Covid lockdown began, Meghan, Harry and Archie relocated to Los Angeles, where media mogul Tyler Perry offered them his home as a temporary refuge. . Meghan Markle and Prince Harry's much-anticipated interview with Oprah Winfrey will be broadcast for Kiwi audiences on Three this Tuesday March 9 at 7.30pm. So, how . Meghan: Just like, I would . (I said) ‘OK, great’. . . Meghan Markle and Prince Harry's interview with Oprah Winfrey—the interview of the year—aired on Monday, March … We had to go to an official event. . What . . But I’ve got what my mum left me, and, without that, we would not have been able to do this. Look, because if he’s not going to be a prince, it’s like, OK, well, he needs to be safe, so we’re not saying don’t make him a prince or a princess — whatever it’s going to be . . Because I can’t begin to imagine what it must have been like for her going through this process by herself all those years ago, because it’s been unbelievably tough for the two of us, but at least we had each other. . you’re in love, you’re with him. . And therefore it wasn’t just affecting my wife. In order to provide you with the best possible experience, this website uses cookies. . who earn a living, live on palace grounds, can support the Queen if and when called upon. But you also wanted to serve the Queen? I never expected, or I never thought . Harry: And get away with it and be so blatant about it. Do you know how to curtsey? Harry: For so many in my family, what they do is . that was right at the beginning, right? you’re stepping back out of frustration and you just need to get out. . . . I mean, here you have one of the greatest assets to the Commonwealth that the family could have ever wished for. Oprah: Can you share what the gift was? there’s a lot that’s been lost already. . Oprah: You’ve said some pretty shocking things here, revealing . Harry: I think everyone needs to have some compassion for . Oprah: Your father asked you to put it in writing. . And it was a decision that they felt was appropriate. . There are even stories that you knew all along that this was going to happen. what was your first thought? Far better than I expected. I’ve tried to . (Oprah narrates) When Meghan joined the Royal Family in 2018, she became the target of unrelenting, pervasive attacks. Harry: Yeah, in the first half, the first quarter of 2020. . On Nancy O’Dell’s new Talkshoplive show Friday, Winfrey also recalled being stunned by how Markle went “all the way there” with racism allegations against the royal family. My regret is believing them when they said I would be protected. . And that changed the threat. there was a . Oprah: Was it what it looked like? I went to all the places which I thought I should go to, to ask for help. Oprah: So, what do you say to the people who say you came here, you made these multimillion-dollar deals and that you’re just money-grabbing royals? this constant barrage. in this position. But we can’t help you because you’re not a paid employee of the institution.”. . And to think that you, earlier in the day, had said to Harry that you didn’t want to be alive any more. Oprah: So, how does that work? Meghan: Very clear and very scary. Oprah Winfrey is speaking out following her interview with Meghan Markle and Prince Harry. I didn’t fully understand what the job was: What does it mean to be a working royal? Meghan: Right. And so, I think even with that convention I’m talking about, while I was pregnant, they said they want to change the convention for Archie. And, you know, for me, I’m . But, you know, unlike what you see in the movies, there’s no class on how to . All that gets turned over. I wasn’t lonely with him. And I remember we were in the car . We now know it’s Archie, and it was a boy. And I was told that I couldn’t, that it wouldn’t be good for the institution. So we did what we had to do — and now we’ve got another little one on the way. After two years of feeling "silenced" by palace authorities, Meghan Markle finally came forward to tell her side of the story on the special Oprah with Meghan and Harry on Sunday night. Oprah: Because you were afraid of what you might do to yourself? Or she could have cried? Deeply, to show respect, I learned it very quickly right in front of the house. . There were rumours about you being ‘Hurricane Meghan’. that hurts. . But more, perhaps. Meghan: And so, yeah, of course that breeds loneliness when you’ve come from such a full life or when you’ve come from freedom. The first look at Meghan Markle and Prince Harry's interview with Oprah Winfrey has aired. no, I think we’ve done . Meghan: That’s not it at all. And it was during that part of my pregnancy, especially, that I started to understand what our continued reality was going to look like. (He said) ‘Do you know how to curtsey?’ ‘What?’ ‘Do you know how to curtsey?’ I thought genuinely that’s what happens outside, that was part of the fanfare. We were going for lunch at Royal Lodge, which is where some other members of the family live, specifically Andrew and Fergie, and Eugenie and Beatrice would spend a lot of time there. . Meghan: And, oh, my God, we just did everything we could to . . Meghan: But also I think, a lot of it, that was fed into by the media. it was only once we were married and everything started to really worsen that I came to under-stand that not only was I not being protected, but they were willing to lie to protect other members of the family but they weren’t willing to tell the truth to protect me and my husband. . We’re still doing it. That is fine. all the conversations of the two years before we finally announced it. . this is what we’re doing, right? . There has not been an agreement, you don’t know what I’m going to ask, there is no subject that’s off limits and you are not getting paid for this interview. . Meghan: It was like, ‘These are the thoughts that I’m having in the middle of the night that are very clear . . Oprah: How do you feel about the palace hearing you speak your truth today? Royals . . . Meghan: We had breakfast together that morning, and she’d given me a beautiful gift, and I just really loved being in her company. . The borders could be closed. Harry: Yes, but it’s . . I so recall this sense of magic. It was actually right at the beginning  . But it came on and I was like, ‘Well, I’m just here all the time, so I may as well watch this’. It’s felt like a lifetime. Meghan: What does it have to do with pride or vanity? Oprah Winfrey has admitted she was 'surprised' that Meghan Markle 'went all the way there' with allegations of racism against the royal family during her bombshell interview. Bill Maher doesn't think all of the details of Meghan Markle's interview with Oprah add up "You can hate the racism, but not love them for everything else," Maher says on HBO's "Real Time" Meghan: I did anything they told me to do — of course I did, because it was also through the lens of, ‘And we’ll protect you’. I guess, the highlight for me is sticking him on the back of the bicycle in his little baby seat and taking him on these bike rides, which is something I was never able to do when I was young. I mean, this is miracles. What’s his favourite word now? If you get it right, you get it right. hold on. . That’s my friends, my mom and dad. Meghan: And I grieve a lot. And I’ve tried to educate them through the process that I have been educated. . whether they’ve had the same feelings or thoughts. . Or is that possible, that you can check yourself in some place? but, at the same time, you know, I, of course I will always . Oprah: This conversation doesn’t end here. It was reported that Meghan had left Kate “in tears” over the bride-to-be’s “strict demands” over flower-girl dresses. . Oprah: You were ashamed of admitting that Meghan needed help? Oprah: To have been silenced all this time. Oprah: Whoo. A further 18% had a somewhat favourable opinion of him. The bombshell news sparked a worldwide media frenzy dubbed ‘Megxit’ by the British Press. No one thought to say, ‘Oh, you’re American. . And there was a . Harry: Yeah. We can just talk about it as Archie now. . . . . and that having the title gives you the safety and protection? So, I was fried, and I think it just hit me so hard because we were making it look like every-thing was fine. was there a specific reason why you didn’t want to be a part of that tradition? No matter who you are in the family, no matter what’s going on in your personal life, no matter what’s just happened, if the bikes roll up and the car rolls up, you’ve got to get dressed, you got to get in there. Eugenie and I had known each other before I knew Harry, so that was comfortable and it turned out the Queen was finishing a church service in Windsor and so she was going to be at the house. . . She gave me beautiful pearl earrings and a matching necklace. . . . Oprah: When you realised that and saw it on the ultrasound, what . And that was a very clear and real and frightening constant thought. Meghan: No, no. . And one of the people that I reached out to, who’s continued to be a friend and confidant, was one of my husband’s mom’s best friends, one of Diana’s best friends. and really welcoming. Harry:: I’ve watched some of it. . Meghan: (Laughs) I heard — OK, I heard about the avocado one. It’s amazing how they can use Meg for everything. How would she feel about this moment? Harry: Yeah. Yet no one from my family ever said anything over those three years. he wasn’t going to be a prince? . And, again, I wasn’t seeing it, but it’s almost worse when you feel it through the expression of my mom or my friends, or them calling me crying, just, like, ‘Meg, they’re not protecting you’. And I zoomed in, and what I saw was the truth of what that moment was, because right before we had to leave for that, I had just had that conversation with Harry that morning, and it was the next day that I talked to the institution. My first job was when I was 13, at a frozen yoghurt shop called Humphrey Yogart. Please don’t pull his security and announce to the world when he and we are most vulnerable’. . Please keep my husband safe. . . . Harry: Whereas with us, it was just, like, just be . . Oprah: That’s good: ‘That’s a loaded piece of toast.’ It’s about deforestation and . . The daily onslaught of vitriol and condemnation from the UK Press became overwhelming and, in Meghan’s words, ‘almost unsurvivable’. You know, as I’ve said before, I love William to bits. Oprah Winfrey has opened up on what she thought of Meghan and Harry’s explosive TV interview. By this point, courtesy of the Daily Mail, the world knew exact . . Oprah: OK, so it feels to me like things started to change when you and Harry decided that you were not going to take the picture that had been a part of the tradition for years and . We both did. . But, you know, you need to want to be saved. Meghan: I believed that. I don’t know whether they’ve had the same . . And I thought, well, if they’re not going to kill things like that, then what are we going to do? Harry: We did a couple of Zoom calls with Archie. You were going through all of the anxiety that brides go through putting their wedding together and going through all of the issues with your father: Was he coming? How were you told to handle tabloids or gossip? So, then, you’re in Canada because you had stepped back.
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